Season 1, Episode 008

In this episode of Legally Blissed Conversations, we are joined by Aman Costigan, practicing attorney and founder of Beyond Yoga for Lawyers.

Aman believes that lawyers are a unique group of people who can understand each other and relate to the stressors that come with being a lawyer in ways that non-lawyers cannot. 

Lawyer wellness is near and dear to her heart. She’s bringing awareness to lawyer wellness by sharing yoga and mindfulness practices that go beyond the forms of yoga and mainstream practices to promote relaxation, improve focus, and ways to be more present in daily life.

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Website: https://beyondyogaforlawyers.com/

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Transcript

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Suzi: I’m really excited to have with me today. Aman cos again, she is the founder and yoga teacher at beyond yoga for lawyers as well as a partner at the law firm of shores Jardine LLP. That’s in Canada, correct? That’s right, awesome. Law, your wellness is something near and dear to her heart. One of the ways she’s bringing awareness to law, your wellness is by sharing yoga and mindfulness practices that go be on the forms of yoga and mainstream practices to promote relaxation, improved focus and ways to be more present in daily life. She is passionate about sharing quick and easy ways to manage stress. The tools and techniques she teaches gives lawyers a toolkit of coping mechanisms and helps lawyers be less angry, less reactive and better listeners. I’m in practices law in Canada, where she practices primarily in the area of Professional Regulation. She offers a one hour virtual group yoga class exclusively to lawyers. The group yoga class runs for eight weeks. And the next session starts on January the 26th of 2022 through March 16, of 2022. And you can find out more about Aman and her offerings by visiting her website. And that’s beyond yoga for lawyers. And I will definitely have that in the show notes. Excuse me, I have a cough. Welcome here to the podcast. Amen. So happy to have you. Yeah.

Aman: Thanks so much for having me. Yeah.

Suzi: So I want to can you take me back? Just a few years to when you first started realizing the importance of integrating mindfulness and yoga into your law practice. I would I would love to know, kind of the origin story there.

Aman: Yeah, so it actually started eight years ago. So when I first started practicing law in 2012, but it didn’t really have the like, I didn’t really know or understand what was going on. Because I think back then, and 2012. And I think really up until about even 2018 I was just so disconnected with my own body. Like they’d be like, Oh, feel into your body, like listen to your body. And I’m like, I feel nothing. I feel nothing. I feel like nothing. Nothing’s happening. But I just kept showing up. So I have a two hour yoga class that I’ve been going to with my yoga teacher Anna, since 2012. Or sorry, 2013. Actually, yeah. And it actually started by a Google like search, I was looking for a yoga retreat. And I found her at this retreat. And I didn’t really think much of it. But it was like close to town. And it met kind of, you know, the budget constraints I had at the time. And so I showed up, and a lot of the people there were like, 1520 year students. And I was like, I want to know why, why you keep showing up? Why are you still here? Like, what what is happening, that you are still here. And so they all kind of shared their wisdom. And I’ve been going ever since regularly on Mondays for two hours a week. And it never, it didn’t really sink in, like what was happening. But I noticed that I was just showing up differently in a week where I had gone versus a week that I had missed.

Suzi: Wow. Wow. So what did that look like to you? When you say showing up differently? Like in what way?

Aman: Yeah, so I think part of it was even just like getting back. Like I have an example of I went to that retreat, and when I got home, I’m someone who always has to have like background noise. Like I always need to have like, you know, nowadays it’s a podcast, but at the time it was a radio. But when I got home I was like I’m okay being quiet with myself and with silence. Wow. Which you know, as lawyers if you have like, lots of thoughts, and a lot of them like worrisome thoughts. And so I was able to just be silent with myself and like listen to myself and like my thoughts at kind of calmed down like after that weekend. And then in terms of like my general practice, like, just because my class was on Monday nights, I noticed that I showed up like, less reactive. Like, whether it was an email with a colleague, another lawyer, if something got me kind of on edge, or you know, your forward leaning or you know, you want to react and respond, which is our automatic response, I was able to kind of intercept that and like, have that awareness to be like, Wait, is that how you want to respond? You know, and even in personal relationships, like with my husband, just how you want to show up and respond in those sorts of situations?

Suzi: So would you were the style of yoga that you initially started with the one that you’re I think you said you was about two hours every Monday night? Is that? Is that more of like a meditative kind of type of yoga? Or was it more physical movements, and I mean, I understand like, we can make them both work hand in hand, but what you’re speaking about right now really, like, exemplifies the importance of it with respect to your thinking, right, becoming more aware of your, of your own thought processes, taking a moment to pause, you know, or like saying, okay, you know, what, that email doesn’t have to go out right now. I can, like, sit on it for a little while. And oftentimes, we go back and rewrite those. But I’m curious, like, what about physical impacts, that that the that the yoga has had on your life?

Aman: Right. So you’re right, the yoga that the practice that I do, and that I teach now is a more relaxing, gentler yoga. So it’s, there’s quite a bit of meditative stuff that’s going on. So whether you’re in a pose, like you just hang out there a little bit longer. So it’s kind of more on the restorative side, but not as long like you’re not in poses for like 15 minutes are kind of hanging out for that amount of time. But it is definitely more on the relaxing, gentler side of things. Physically, it’s made a huge difference. So I’ve had ever since, I think, the last job in 2012, I’ve had really, I developed really bad back pain on my left side. And so it’s like this, like, I think it’s like, anyway, I have, I’ve gone to the doctor, they said go to physio. And you know, I’ve had some things like that, but it’s just this kind of tingly sensation, like up the my back. And I’ve noticed that yoga, like, if I go for that two hours a week, it really helps to ease and minimize some of the pain. And I think part of it is from sitting at a desk all day, standing or otherwise, I think part of it is wearing high heels for years. And carrying large bags, like usually my purse, right has like, so much stuff. And so I think all those things just added up together, and it’s created this, this back pain that I have. And so I’ve been able to ease a lot of that pain with that with the class, like that’s a physical experience that I’ve had, I also noticed that, you know, oftentimes our shoulders are up near our ears all the time. And so from the exercises that we do, I’m able to kind of just bring my shoulders down a little bit. And that just helps like the whole body

Suzi: as it does. So I’m curious, what are just like a few little things that we can integrate, as lawyers on a daily basis, right, like, maybe we maybe part of it is becoming more aware of, of our own thinking and our posture, right, like, Do you have any just guidance on just taking a moment in our daily practice to kind of check in with ourselves?

Aman: Yeah, I think like, I’m not one of those people who practices yoga every day. So that’s why I find it, I find it really hard to say like, oh, you should, you know, do an hour every day, because I’m not that person that just doesn’t work in the season of life, but I think I’m in or have been in. So I really try to watch myself when I come up with excuses, like for myself, or when I’m like, oh, I’ll just do it before bed. rarely ever happens. Unless I’m like, you know, really, I’m really on top of it. And so I really find that you’ve got to just find those two minutes. And if you’re a morning person, then maybe it’s in the morning. And if you finish something like rather than quickly moving to the next task, like maybe taking two minutes to pause there. And I really find like just even like hands on your chest. And just like sitting back closing your eyes. And you know that whole listen to your body and like feel what you can feel. Even if you feel nothing like just continuing to show up for yourself, like will eventually you will eventually connect and hopefully faster than, you know, my six, seven years.

Suzi: Because it’s totally fine. Right? Everyone’s kind of on a different journey. And what was when you started really integrating yoga. What was the reception like, amongst maybe your law firm in particular, but general attorneys in general

Aman: So I was actually really scared to tell anybody at my law firm that I started beyond yoga Fuller’s in January. So I didn’t tell anybody and very few of them. Still some people who don’t know. So I never told anybody and very few of them are on social media. And I go by beyond yoga for lawyers on Instagram. So, you know, unless you’re looking for that, you probably wouldn’t, unless you’re Googling me, you probably wouldn’t find it either. I’m obviously on LinkedIn. So it’s there. So a few people noticed from that. But I definitely kept it kind of within, like, I started slowly, slowly, right, like telling people because I started from a belief that I was doing something wrong. Why?

Suzi: Let’s talk about that. Yeah,

Aman: um, because everyone around me, or at least, you know, my belief was that everyone that I worked with and around me, and that I saw as lawyers were lawyers. And that was, that’s their identity. And I felt like, I had I had a career, I’m a lawyer, that’s what I do. And why am I trying to look to do things on top of that, like, people would ask me, like, your partner at a law firm? Like, why do you need to do you know, why do you need to do this business? Like, you’re not going to make any money? Nobody’s gonna come? Like, why are you doing this, you’re just adding stress. And, you know, like, you could just focus on, you know, your Billings. And I just, I just felt like, you know, from those sorts of comments, and you know, the thoughts in my own head that I had a judgment of others, like I was doing something that I shouldn’t have been doing.

Suzi: Okay, that’s fascinating. And I don’t, I get that, I get that, right. Like you see this mission like this other kind of thing you want to do. And at the end of the day, deep down, when many of us know that this is life is not about billable hours, right? Like, not all of us want the corner office in the big law firm with, you know, the leather bound books and oak desk, or whatever it is, right? Like, we’re not all of us want that. And some people just have such a hard time comprehending that. Not all of us fit inside this neat little like, what an attorney should look like kind of box. So what were your What was your response? In those situations? When people said that to you about, you know, why would you be doing this, like you make plenty of money as a lawyer, you should focus your time on billing. Yeah, what was your What was your? What’s your thought process? And what was your response? 

Aman: Yeah, I think part of it was my own inner work like that I had to do, it was accepting that I was different. And that I was okay with that. And that was hard. Because I tried for like, five, six years, you know, the first half of my practice to, to do law and want to write the book and want to do presentations on it. And, and now I’ve transitioned to a law that I really do enjoy, and I really do love my practice. But I think I’ve also enjoyed it more, because I’ve added on more things like beyond yoga for lawyers into my life, whereas I didn’t have that before. And so I think just accepting that about myself, and being okay, like, having my own back is what is what you hear out there. Right. And so that was one of the things like just being okay with being myself and accepting that for myself, because people are gonna judge like, people have comments, like, when I, you know, when I’ve done lots of things, people have opinions about what I’ve done, whether they think it’s good, or whether they think it’s bad, they’re gonna have an opinion every time. And so just accepting that people are going to have their opinions, and they’re going to have things to say about you. And you have to be ready to kind of, I think, be able to take what they say, listen, and do what you will with it. And for me, that was, you know, not letting it stop me from showing up.

Suzi: Mm hmm. I love that. So in your current practice, do you work with lawyers directly? I know that you have your online you know, your your online training, do you work with lawyers? Well, I know things are a little weird to you’re very well working from home, right? Like, we’re, you know, we’re in the middle of a pandemic. So do you even if you’re not doing it right now, do you foresee that you will do that like work with attorneys kind of want to, like within a corporate like atmosphere? Do you see I’m saying like, actually go in and, and work with them? Like, do we foresee that firms and it can be very different candidates to but would firms like compensate you to come in and work with them, like groups of attorneys at one time? Does that was that like something on their own? You know, or have you ever done that?

Aman: Yeah, it’s something. So I’ve done organizations before. So I do the group yoga classes that I do, which are eight weeks long. And then I also do one off like one on one, if you want to call it that for organizations, for law firms, and that sort of thing. And so that’s usually a customized, whether they want an hour or 45 minutes, I kind of do a class specifically for that group of lawyers. So I’ve done organizations, I haven’t done any law firms yet. But I do see that being part of it. And I think the yoga that I teach, when we’re eventually able to be in person, I think that there is great benefit to partner work to seeing it on other people. And so I think that, you know, one day in the future, that that will be something I’ll definitely integrate.

Suzi: One of these days, when we ever get back into the offices, right? But then it’s like, are people going to even really? Do people even really want to get back into the office and people are just like it, you know, pretty nice being in my yoga pants all day long, not just for yoga class?

Aman: Totally. Yeah.

Suzi: Okay, so I want to know what it’s like, along this journey to sort of have this really amazing balance, I’m sensing that you have, what was your biggest obstacle that you that you’ve encountered?

Aman: The first thing that’s coming to mind, because I think I’ve had quite a few. Because doing things differently, is hard. Especially when you and everybody that surrounds you, is doing it a different way. it’s been the judgment of others, I think, in the opinions of others, and what other people are gonna say about me what they’re gonna think about me the way I show up on social media, because you and I both know, people see you, but they might not necessarily, you know, say anything to you about it, right. But then they’re talking amongst their friends about you. And so I think, just being able to kind of get over that and like, continue to show up and go for that higher purpose in life. And really, that mission of helping others.

Suzi: Yeah, and leaning back into like, what your mission is, right? Because even if you do see like, some random off him hand comment, or you hear someone like, almonds doing this crazy yoga stuff, right? Like you, you can be like, okay, whatever, I can still lean back into the greater mission. Right? So it’s like, you can handle it emotionally at this point, because it’s sort of the Sticks and stones may break my bones kind of thing. But you know, that there’s a greater purpose in what you’re doing. And it’s not really just about you at this point. It’s about it’s your why. So what what is your why? Let’s take a quick pause for a message from my sponsor, prominent practice.

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Aman: I think at first so it first started with my empire freedom, which is something I came up with in 2009 TM. And I was like I freedom for me was something that I desire I crave in my life is freedom, the golden handcuffs when I’ve heard comments about that. I’m like, I do not want to be that person. Like, I need to be able to be free. Yes. Yeah. Like I need to be free because I don’t I can’t be stuck. Like I can’t. I can’t happen to marry.

Suzi: It’s scary. Yes, yes.

Aman: So going to the opinions of others, just for a moment. We bought two Mercedes when husband and I both lawyers and when we early in our careers. We both bought two Mercedes. And so people have lots of comments about when we bought two Mercedes, then bye, but that we sold both of our Mercedes for one vehicle, and then everybody had comments about the Oh, I’m

Suzi: sure they had even more comments right everyone hasn’t happened? Yeah.

Aman: So you just kind of got it, like people are gonna say what they’re gonna say. So you really got to connect back with your why and your higher purpose. And so I think that it started with my empire freedom and wanting to have my own business, like I wanted something that was my own, that there were no rules around, you know, had to be this length of a, you know, post, it had to be this long, you know, or short of a video and had to include these things like I just wanted to do my own thing. And that was kind of where it started. And that’s been successful. I’ve had really good lawyer reception to the group yoga classes and the yoga that I’m sharing, and even from non lawyers, who have been asking to join who I’ve had to say no to. But the bigger y for me has been now getting testimonials back, and feedback from lawyers who have done the Yoga with me. And that’s been I think my biggest joy is being able to see how it actually helps lawyers, they’re like, you know, that back breathing that you taught, I can do it anywhere, and it automatically and instantly calms me. And I’m like, yes.

Suzi: That’s yeah. So it seems like the yoga obviously, you know, physical movement, you know, helps you relax physically. Wow, like, that is just such an in depth. That’s such a deep statement there, isn’t it? No, but I guess my point, my point here is, when we see like the physical impacts of maybe movement, yoga, right, and then there’s like the mental yoga, and I’m always kind of like, interested in how they play together, how our physical bodies, right? impacts us mentally, and also how our mind works and how our mind impacts us physically. Like, like, for me, if I’m really stressed about something like my body tenses up. I think it I feel less like sensitive in some ways. It’s almost like an increased level of cortisol. I also feel like maybe there’s a lack of creativity. And I think that lawyers really need to. I mean, it’s my opinion that creativity in the practice of law, is a really good thing. I think that you mentioned that, right? Like how, you know, the, the practice of yoga can decrease stress, promote relaxation, which, in effect, could increase creativity? How do you see all of that playing in the practice of law? Particularly the creativity part? Yeah, I

Aman: think for me, like, I’ll just my own example. So when I go to my class, or I do a yoga, even if I do like a two minute meditation, again, I have no expectations, like, I think that’s important to make sure that you’re not being like, Okay, I’m going to go to yoga class, or I’m going to do yoga, or Do this five minutes, but I’m expecting, you know, this in return, I think it has to be a genuine connection within practice. And when you do do that, for me, the creativity could come on my files, so on legal files about things I had not even thought about doing, because I have that space. And I’ve had that quiet for those ideas to actually come through and be able to hear, you know, from my higher self, or from my intuition, or whatever you want to call it. And even for beyond yoga for lawyers, like all have ideas, like oh, you should do a post about, you know, this, or you should share about how you didn’t go to your grandmother’s funeral, and how you missed it, because you were too busy. And I’m like, oh, okay, so I like, you know, things come to me, that would ordinarily not if I didn’t make the space or the time to hear and be open for them.

Suzi: So that’s, I mean, not Yoga is not just about physical movement, right? It’s, it’s allowing that quiet space. You mentioned, really interesting word here. And it’s something that I’ve been really kind of pondering is where and duck maybe the question is, does and where would intuition have a place in the practice of law? In such a logical analytical type of career? Can we integrate tuition? Based on like, I don’t know. Yeah,

Aman: I’m trying to think I think I do use it. Maybe not consciously every time but I definitely like I’ll have a gut read like I you know, I think that gut reaction to a file or to another like opposing counsel, you know how this is going to go like, is this going to be a reasonable amicable relationship? Someone that I can trust that kind of thing, if I don’t know them, or is it not one Are you know, do I get the kind of spidey senses about things? Or, you know, am I getting the full information? Like the full picture? Like, I think I default to that to be like, you know, intuition like kind of, you know, kind of sensing in my body, like, what am I noticing about this that has me kind of on guard, and then I evaluated right, because not every, you know, fear or rest or concern is going to be something that, you know, I really should be worried about.

Suzi: I think that’s great, right, like, lean into that tuition and listen to it, but check in again, with yourself to make sure that it doesn’t really conflict with something that’s completely logical, I think.

Aman: Yeah, I think like, I’m all about experimenting. Yeah. You know, like, you got to try things on and see how they fit. And if they don’t work for you, then try it a different way. And, you know, keep what works.

Suzi: Yeah, keep what works and be curious. Right? And I think that is maintaining that curiosity, and whether or not it’s like, maybe, you know, will this style of yoga, be right up my alley, or I’m going to go into this yoga session without expectations. And I think that that’s, that’s really, that was a really good piece of advice. For people who are interested in, in trying to integrate meditation, or yoga into into their daily lives, it’s to help them become better people and better lawyers specifically. I agree. So I want to know, what is next for you.

Aman: In terms of beyond yoga for lawyers, or just generally,

Suzi: all of the above? What, Okay, what’s next for you that excites you? If personal or beyond yoga for lawyers or being a lawyer,

Aman: I think, right now, so I’ve had some requests. So my group yoga classes are live. So I do ask that people show up, I don’t record them just for privacy, and for, you know, safety reasons. So people can just feel like you can ask whatever you can do whatever. And it’s a safe space. But I have been asked by lots of lawyers who can’t make it to the one hour a week that I offer right now. And so I’m really excited to put together some video kind of on demand classes, which is basically a recreation of the eight weeks that I do, but I’m going to turn it into a video series. And I know that I know, by goal setting in the way that I work that I can’t do everything all at once I need to pack. And so this will be a future project, but it’s something that I think I’ll be able to help more lawyers with, and especially the ones who you know, can’t make it to the to the once a week classes that I have.

Suzi: So are you finding most of your attorneys that you’re working with? Are they based in Canada, or the US or just everywhere?

Aman: No. So the way that life happened, it’s that actually I joined some masterminds in 2020, that had me with lawyer entrepreneurs in the States. And again, which is why I felt like I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I’m like the only Canadian that’s here, like something wrong.

Suzi: We love our Canadians.

Aman  

Like, we’re the Canadian lawyers hanging out. So no, but I was so fortunate to meet a group of lawyer entrepreneurs who are either practicing and have the business on top of their law practice, or have transitioned out of the law and have a practice, have their own business that they started. And so I was able to connect with them through this mastermind and continue to mastermind with them. And they were able to share their connections with me. Some of them were, of course, they all actually are high achievers who are on boards and part of organizations. And so they’re like, I know this person, you can, you know, teach as part of that. And so I actually got my start from all of them.

Suzi: While your American lawyer I love it. Yes. So I would, I’d love to know, like, what would you love for the young female lawyer? That’s listening right now? Like, what would you tell her? Right? What little piece of guidance would you give her that you wish that you would have had a few years out of law school? Can I give to just one that was getting so funny, I’m sorry, I am like, I am like all about the dead. I am all over this point my life. No, please give us please give me to give us.

Aman: Yeah, and I think both of them I kind of touched on but I really think that they would have helped and the first one is surrounding yourself with people who are doing things differently that you are drawn to. Yes. Like for me, it ended up being things like The Life Coach School podcast, so that was a big part of that like mental shift for me like that mindset shift. Sure. Yeah. And financial independence was Another one that early on in my practice once I paid off all my student loan debt in that beautiful Mercedes, and I didn’t want golden handcuffs, financial independence was a huge community that I wanted to learn from, oh, I love that. 

Suzi: I think that’s amazing, right? Just leap surrounding yourself who, with with people who are living in a way in which you aspire to people that you emulate or want to emulate? I think that’s, that’s important. And I think it’s really kind of challenging, though, to do that as a young lawyer, because you’re working so much, and unfortunately, even your recreation time, which, you know, it’s kind of questionable when you’re just starting out. You know, it’s, I feel like the law firms just encourage, you know, let’s all hang out, you know, and I was always like, No, I don’t want to hang out with you all. Like, we, I come here to work, like, and that’s what I’m doing. I’m, I am your cog, and I’m putting out the work like, I am not interested in being your friends, you’re outside, right. But you know, it is really hard as a young lawyer, because that’s what you’re, you’re just immersed in it, you’re immersed in this in a certain lifestyle, and you’re, you start spending money commensurate with your, with your income growth, right? All of a sudden, you’ve got three kids and, and they’re all in private school. So, you know, I think that it’s really important thing, that’s such great guidance, you know, to just really think about that, like, is that what you want? Do you want the golden handcuffs? Like you that was never that wasn’t attractive to me. It just wasn’t. It wasn’t it wasn’t desirable, but but it is for so many people.

Aman: Yeah, but I see the stress on the people who have the golden handcuffs. And I’m not sure how long I would last in the practice. Like, I know that the golden handcuffs is why they keep showing up. But I’m just not sure like for me, I think the stress would just eat me alive.

Suzi: Right? It doesn’t matter how much yoga your bill an hour. An hour. Do yoga for an hour, right? I know I’m I feel this. I can’t imagine. You know, I hang out someone fishbowl? I’m not sure if you’re familiar with this platform. You should check it out. I think it’s owned by Glassdoor now, but you know, I am to take a look at big law like the big law fishbowl with our bowl within the fishbowl within fishbowl and women in law, and oh my gosh, you know, the complaint, just that. Just the trauma and drama that I see posted there, I’m like, Whoa, like, things haven’t really changed since I was a young lawyer, which was more than a couple of years ago, things haven’t really changed, you know? And a lot of that, is that, that stress that, oh, you know, decision making, you can see a lot of just just, you know, it just challenges with, do I have? Do we have the baby now? Do we wait till a partner? You know, all of that. And it’s, it’s interesting, because when I see these questions, I’m like, do these people not know that, like, they can make decisions, right? Like, they are not bound to anything, they can live whatever life they choose to live, at the end of the day, and they think they don’t write, they might think that they don’t have individual autonomy. But if you know, you’re, you’re a listener of The Life Coach School, Brooke Castillo, and I am to write and so I know that like, at the end of the day, we have, we can leave the job, we can walk out, right, but the decision is Do you Do you like the repercussions? You can? I think that her her example was she she realized that she could leave her children at the playground or something, something like that. And if you remember that, and it was so like an eye opening thing to her right that she had she can do. I mean, that gave her an element of freedom when she realized that like No, no, I don’t want to leave my children. But um, you know, my point is that I feel like so many attorneys who are really stuck and it doesn’t necessarily get easier as they continue to go it as they continue to practice law and a part of that is, you know, they’re they start spending more money just like they start making more money. And maybe, maybe it’s the situation where they’re not the the golden handcuffs. Maybe they’re okay with that. I mean, there’s two words in there right? Gold. Maybe the golden is so so gold that the handcuffs are, are okay. But it sounds like for you you’re like, Yeah, hell no, I’m not going to live my life this way.

Aman: Yeah, I think that if you can’t like I think it’s called you have to consciously decide. Yeah, and I think I was one of those people just you know, I became a lawyer and I was like, Well, I’ve made it. I’ve made it I don’t really like, this is what I work so hard for. Yeah, this is like I made it and like that’s it and what like, but then it became like, what’s next? And why am I not fulfilled? Why am I not feeling fulfilled at the end of the day, and for me, it was the variety, it lacked the variety and my own business and doing other ventures like on top of my law practice and being part of other creations and that’s what drives me and motivates me, and makes me love my practice my legal practice more because I’m able to do other ventures,

Suzi: you’ve been like the perfect guest for, for my audience, I think that there’s so much to learn from you, you know, making your own decision, having your own back, right, I think that’s so important. Where can you allow creativity to be present in your life, either in or outside of the law practice? And, you know, understanding that life is not about practicing law, like even when you quote unquote, made it. You know, like, I you know, I’m a partner in a big firm now, you know, people have their have different definitions of what what, you know, they think it made it means in terms of being a lawyer and practicing law. So I just want to thank you so much for hanging out with me and having this conversation. I think that it’s going to really resonate with a lot of people. I hope that people are inspired by it, I can’t imagine why they would not be. So where can people find you? I will put some links in the show notes. But I’d love for you to tell tell everyone, like, where you are in social and all that good stuff. Sure. So I

Aman: mostly hang out on Instagram. I’m in my stories quite a bit. So I might be on yoga for lawyers on Instagram. And then on LinkedIn, I’m more formal. So I just go by my first and last name. And then on Facebook. I have a private Facebook group that I’ve created for beyond yoga for lawyers. And so if you just search that up, you’ll find it and I will invite you it.

Suzi: Thank you so much for hanging out with me. This was so much fun. I learned a lot. Thank you so much.

Aman: And thank you for having me. It was a lot of fun.

Suzi: Thank you so much for hanging out with us today on legally bliss conversations. If you love this episode, and you want to hang out with other inspiring and light gold female attorneys, be sure to join the legally bliss community at legally blessed.com And be sure to follow me on Instagram at Suzan Hixon. See you next time.

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